Remember when we weer on Baseline Avenue and you made some remark about how we were further north than I was used to, and I replied that actually 40 North runs right through Philadelphia? I was looking in the atlas today, and it was pretty interesting to see which cities were at which latitudes. Some surprises there. So for your entertainment, here's an incomplete list; note that all latitudes are approximate: 60: Anchorage. 55: Frozen wastes. 53: Calgary/Edmonton. 50: Vancouver. Regina. Winnipeg. 47: Seattle. Great Falls. Duluth. Quebec. 45: Portland. Minneapolis. Montreal. 43: Chicago/Milwaukee. Detroit. Boston/New York. 40: Denver. Indianapolis. Philadelphia. 38: San Francisco. Kansas City. St Louis. Cincinnati. Washington. 35: Bakersfield. Albuquerque. Memphis. Charlotte. 33: Los Angeles. Phoenix. Atlanta. 30: Houston. New Orleans. Jacksonville. 25: Miami 20: Honolulu Surprises: The big surprise for me is how far north Seattle is. I guess being on the ocean makes it warmer than inland cities at the same latitude like Spokane. Similarly, I knew Anchorage was far north, but I didn't realize how much further north it was than practically everything else. Last year it occurred to me for the first time that I think of Northern Minnesota and North Dakota and Montana as being cold frozen places---but the southermost points in Alberta and Saskatchewan are north of the northernmost points in Montana. But Anchorage is north of the northernmost points in Alberta and Saskatchewan, which I don't think had occurred to me before. Anchorage is about as far north as Yakutsk. Mark-Jason Dominus mjd@plover.com I am boycotting Amazon. See http://www.plover.com/~mjd/amazon.html for details.